Sunday, April 12, 2009

I've done the research and it was the ARABS - get over it

So a friend of mine recently posted this video on his Facebook page:

Apparently a Very Important Scientist (capitalized to illustrate the IMPORTANCE) has just published an article stating that unexploded nanothermite particles have been found within the dust particles at Ground Zero. This is just further proof that it wasn't big bad Islamic terrorists that brought down the towers...but rather the even bigger, badder United States government! You know the same government that guarantees these guys the freedom of speech to yell and scream about how it is a fascist dictatorship that destroys freedom everywhere it goes.

So what does this mean? Well it's apparently proof positive that there was a controlled demolition that brought down the Twin Towers. And just how much material would be needed for a job like this? More than 10 tons, maybe as much as 100. So...200,000 pounds of this stuff would have to be spread across three buildings, some of it on every floor...with no one noticing giant trucks unloading pallets of highly explosive items which were then coated onto the beams of the buildings themselves so that if someday a plane decided to hit it - the whole thing would collapse.

Just to give you a taste of the sheer magnitude - here's a brief summary of SOME of the groups that would need to be involved to perpetrate what the good Doctor is claiming.

1. The inner circle of conspirators. Depending on who you're talking to this may include President Bush and his cabinet, Cheney, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, the Bilderburg group, Jewish bankers, the Illuminati, Freemasons, space aliens or some combination of all of the above. (5-10 people)

2. The military scientists who worked on and researched the technology necessary to create the nanothermites themselves. The engineers who were either trained on the building's blueprints or recruited from the original crew that designed the building. The military brass who coordinated the actual plane crashes and who ordered the Air Force to not to respond to the hijackings. (30-60 people)

3. The actual hijackers. The evil media told us there were 19 of them (and a 20th who never made it onto his plane) but let's even assume that was fabricated and maybe only the pilots themselves had to be in on it. Nevermind the fact that we clearly hear an Arab on Flight 93 yelling Allah-u Akbar as the passengers attempt to retake the plane and it crashes into the Pennsylvanian countryside. (4-20 people)

4. The people who delivered, unloaded and then set the explosives on 220 floors of the Twin Towers and 47 floors of Seven World Trade Center. If you figure it takes an hour per floor for a team of 10 people (an incredibly liberal, benefit-of-the-doubt, impossible number), that's over 11 days of working around the clock. Sleep deprivation would take its toll, not to mention confused office workers during business hours asking questions, plus it would take multiple shipments of the actual figure you have to spread this out during nights and weekends over a few months. (20-60 people)

5. The security apparatuses at all three towers. In order for these demolition crews to wire the buildings they would need access to every floor in every tower. This could not be accomplished without the complicity of the security organizations for all three towers. These towers also housed the NY/NJ Port Authority mind you, which includes its own police and security force. According this article there are about 60,000 security guards throughout NYC. Let's assume anywhere between 100-200 (also incredibly liberal, benefit-of-the-doubt and impossible) of them were involved in securing the WTC buildings in 2001. Then there are cleaning crews who would have noticed this strange work at all hours of the night along with anyone else who happened along these crews. (150-1,000 people)

6. The people who trained the demolition crews, hijackers and structural engineers to commit an act of mass murder aimed at destroying thousands if not tens of of thousands of innocent civilians. (10-30 people)

So in all let's say even at its most conservative we have 300+ people in this scenario. And this is probably the tamest of all the 9/11 scenarios I've ever heard. Many if not most of the "9/11 truthers" believe there were no passengers on the planes, no pilots, there was no Flight 93 uprising, no phone calls, nothing. That no plane hit the Pentagon, rather it was a missile. And on and on. This expands the conspiracy to thousands of if not 10's of thousands of people. But don't take my word for it, check out this excellent site on all the people that would need to be involved in this crime for it to work. In any case, we're talking about all these people sitting around day after day with the blood of 3,000 people on their souls. Day after day.

The fact that no one spoke up before this happened would be shocking but not impossible as it's likely the masterminds would keep the worker bees in the dark. However, in the 7.5 years since 9/11/01 not even ONE of them has gone public with this information? No one has leaked a word of this to the media? No one confessed/gloated to their wife, husband, girlfriend, mistress that they were part of the biggest scam in the history of the world?!?! When Bill Clinton can't even have an affair or Richard Nixon can't record the opposing campaign without it being on television every day for YEARS???? Impossible!

But what's the harm with questioning reality, you'll ask me. Isn't that what makes this country, and humanity in general great? Searching for the truth is never bad! So they say at least...

What "they" don't tell you though is that an HONEST search for knowledge is good. When there is an agenda, it ceases to be a search for knowledge - rather it becomes a witch hunt. And where does this path inevitably, inexorably and yet entirely unsurprisingly lead?

Cousin Of Alleged 9/11 Hijacker Exposed As Israeli Spy

The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11

WE ARE CHANGE LA site with links to various articles and videos that link the Mossad to 9/11

Behold: RABBI Dov Zakheim: 9/11 Mastermind?

Excellent! The Jews! OF COURSE. And if you think those sites are bad, you should see some of the posts on their forums and on YouTube. Some colorful examples:

Jeffrey Says:
February 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Are any of us actually surprised to discover yet another “coincidental” 9/11 connection having to do with Israel? For one, I know that I’m not one bit surprised and to think that anyone continues to feel sorry for Israel’s plight. They learned well from the Nazi’s didn’t they, and in reality might even be worse! History will bear witness to the crimes of Israel…but in the mean time, they continue to hold hands and skip along with the U.S., each playing a similar role in the developing NWO.

No Jeffery, we're not surprised at all! Those sneaky Zio-Nazis and their Jew-pig cousins all over the world have been plotting against good American skinheads like yourself for generations!

Popeye Says:
February 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

Wow! There’s a shocker. He’s an Israeli asset. Well, shut my mouth. I’ll be damned. Who would have thought? Let’s face it. It was Israel and their Eastern Establishment ‘goyim’ lackeys that pulled off 9/11. We all know it. You know it,too. The evidence is overwhelming. Only fools refuse to see the truth. But, there are no heros in Washington DC. Nobody will dare risk their careers to bring the 9/11 scum to justice, except, WE THE PEOPLE! You know who they are. Bush(s), Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Powell, Joint Chiefs of Staff, FBI, CIA, BATF, NSA, MSM,CFR and of course the lovable Jew murderers of the Israel Mossad.

You'd better watch it Popeye - we've already locked in on your IP address. The Murdering Jew Squad will be knocking on your door any minute now! Oh wait I forgot, we don't knock...we fly remote controlled planes into buildings. Your "goyim lackey" neighbors are already in the process of giving us your address, we'll be over shortly...

Gregory Says:
February 19th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

The official spokesman for “Al-Qaeda” is the grandson of a high ranking board member of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League for California. GOOGLE : ADAM PEARLMAN ADL The entire “war on terror” is an ISRAELI deception to bring about their New World Order. Israeli Americans inside our government orchestrated 9/11 and murdered 3,000 innocent people and then BLAMED it on the Muslims. Can you imagine a more cowardly act ??? Millions of Muslims have suffered, been tortured and or died due to Jewish lies about 9/11. Every Israeli knows they pulled off 9/11 and they all help muddy the waters so the masses never learn the truth. They are ALL EQUALLY GUILTY.

Yes of COURSE every Israeli knows that the Mossad was behind 9/11! It's taught in the schools to every man, woman and child! "You see Yossi, zis is how ve planted ze bombas and look Avi zis is how ve re-monte cone-trolled ze planes right into zose seelly Tvin Towers! Wawaweewa! Zis operation vas great success!" The entire COUNTRY is in on it! Yet somehow no one talks about it...and it's not as if Israelis are exactly known for holding their tongues. Just so that you don't think that Mr. "Gregory" is some kook that is looked down upon in the 1337 "Truthing" online community, we have the following response to his post:

Adam O Reply:
February 20th, 2009 at 6:28 am

True and wise words….anyone who believes the Al Quueda and OBL hoax is part of the consipracy or thick as shite !

And finally:

Mel Says:
February 19th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

Israel, NWO, illuminati, freemasons, skull n bones, and all the zionists can lick my hairy balls

How eloquent. Thanks for that image Mel although I'm sure the competition for that distinct honor is fierce and I doubt I'd be able to perform as well as the average freemason. So I'll pass on this one.

You should know by the way that all of these quotes are from the very first page of the sites I linked to, there was absolutely no heavy digging here. Honorable mention goes to some guy calling himself "Judgement Day" for tearing up these clowns and calling them out as the neo-Nazi jerkheads that they are.

So. I'm not going to sit here and debate the validity of the claims of these lunatics. Or of the presence or lack thereof of thermite or nanothermite or bombs or tactical nukes or whatever else these people say brought down my two favorite buildings in NYC. If you want the rebuttals then be my guest, I'll post them as a comment in response to this entry.

These professionals say it much better than I ever could. But honestly...why bother? If a person comes up to you at 9:47 am and screams at you that it's night-time because it's cloudy and he can't see the sun - are you going to take the time to argue his point with him or are you going to go on with your life? It's the same way I know a bunch of Middle-Eastern savages took it upon themselves to crash four planes into four buildings on September 11th, 2001.

I don't want to hear about the government reaction or the oil pipeline through Afghanistan or the Israeli puppet masters behind the throne. I don't care about the New World Order or the Illuminati or the Freemasons or the Jewish bankers. I don't want to have to argue with my own co-workers that no, I assure you 4,000 Jews did NOT mysteriously take a sick day on 9/11. There was no Zionist conspiracy email that went out warning everyone to stay home! I don't care, I just want all of these people to shut up.

I've done my due diligence. I was awake on 9/11. I saw Lower Manhattan covered in smoke with my own eyes. And I saw the rubble still burning WEEKS LATER with my OWN EYES. I heard the phone calls the passengers made to their loved ones. I heard the frantic air controllers panicking and having no idea what to do. I saw the planes hit the towers. But most importantly I SAW THIS COMING. We ALL did.

Growing up in an Israeli household and having taken numerous trips there we always remarked through the years at the unbelievably LAX American security at malls, airports, train stations, stadiums, amusement parks...EVERYWHERE! We couldn't understand how nothing had ever happened in America where STILL TO THIS DAY IN 2009 you can walk onto a train with a giant suitcase which nobody checks, sit down, leave it and get off at the next stop.

We couldn't FATHOM how the Islamic radicals, who have been targeting Americans since 1979 had not managed to figure out a way to blow up a bus in the States when they were doing it with regularity in Israel despite all the additional security there. And then the first WTC bombing happened in 1993 and we wasn't that they were stupid or afraid.

It's that they were planning something that would take a while.

So when 9/11 happened, after the initial hysteria of "OHMYGODSOMETHINGHITTHETWINTOWERS!" faded a bit we all realized very quickly that the savages had finally managed to pull off their ultimate American attack. It was so obvious to us long before they released the names of the hijackers that they were all Arabs. The first thing we said was "it's Arabs, but not Palestinians." And wouldn't you know it, of all the countries the hijackers came from, not a single one came from Israel or the Palestinian territories. And why not?

Because the Palestinians were too busy shooting rockets at Israeli schools to lend any volunteers to the war effort. Because in 2001 while the rest of the world was still living in the dreamworld of the 1990's, post-Cold War euphoria, Israel was in the midst of a 2nd intifada. Which was a direct result of the failed Camp David meetings in 2000 which was a result of the failed Wye Agreements in 1998 which was a result of the breakdown of the failed Oslo Accords in 1996 which were signed in 1993 as a result of the 1st intifada which was a result of the stick beating the dog which ate the cat which ate the goat that my father bought for twooooo zuzim, Chad Gadya, chad gadya.

(Happy Passover to all!)

Oh but wait you say...what on Earth does al Qaeda have to do with Hizballah, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, the al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade? Not a whole lot except that that these groups all watch the successes and failures of each other and take notes. Because as all this chaos was going on during the 90's along with the bombing of the USS Cole, the Kenyan and Saudi Arabian attacks, etc. - the world sat around and did nothing. And the Arabs noticed they could keep escalating the fight with no major reprisals.

You see while America hypnotized itself under Bush 1, Clinton and the first 8 months of Bush 2 into thinking that because the Soviet Union was dead that the world was FINALLY safe for democracy...Jews in Israel were always fighting the Next Big Thing. For the uninformed, 9/11/01 was the beginning. For me, for Israelis, 9/11 had been going on our entire lives. For my family 9/11 had been going on since they emigrated to Israel in the 1800's. For the Jews 9/11 has been going on since Muhammad tried to forcibly convert our ancestors in Arabia and when they refused he had them murdered.

That's the difference between the informed and the uninformed. There's no question for me because this is nothing new to me. I knew all about Islamic terrorism on 9/10/2001 - these people did not. To them, Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza, Syria, these places didn't even EXIST before 9/11. To me, they've been my backyard ever since I took my first trip to Israel when I was less than a year old.

It doesn't surprise me that Palestinians were dancing in the streets in Gaza and the West Bank on 9/11. It doesn't surprise me that the biggest supporters of the 9/11 conspiracy theories outside of the "Truthers" are Islamic radicals and their supporters in the Middle East. This is all normal to me. I've done all the research. I grew up on the research. I AM THE RESEARCH for God's sake. So don't preach to me.

At the end of the day - what it all comes down to is fear. It's much easier to blame a democratically elected government that you can understand and communicate with in English, hell even vote out of office. It's much easier to paint an enemy as a weak, big-nosed Jew, fresh out of yeshiva with poor eyesight and giant glasses that you probably chased around the schoolyard in 7th grade and beat up for his lunch money. It's much less scary to pin the blame on white, American guys in suits that you understand and can have a conversation with than to face the reality.

And the reality is that the real enemy does not speak English. He cannot be voted out of office. He does not make cute little mistakifications when talking. He (or she for that matter) is well-trained in the use of guns, knives and bombs. He has no mercy. He has no hope. He has no change. He has no money at all to speak of. He has nothing but faith and unbridled hatred of you and everyone like you. He cannot be negotiated with. He cannot be bought off. He only wants to kill you and everyone like you. We warned you before - we are warning you again.

IT WAS ARABS - that's all there is to it! And no amount of denial will keep them from getting to you again.

Finally for my Jewish readers, when you hear people talking about "what really happened" and questioning the "role" of the Mossad, or why "no Jews died on 9/11" - what they're really saying is that you personally somehow had some kind of connection to the attacks. DO NOT allow this simply to pass because they use the word "Zionist" or "Israeli" instead of "Jew"! Get offended and make it a point to call them out on it...EVERY TIME.

Now if you'll please excuse me, I see that my email is blinking again - I must go check it at once for further instructions from the Elders!

Hmmm, let's see what we have here...Jon Stewart no longer useful...prepare ze anthrax...

DOUBLE UPDATE: Two additional articles on this topic should put the lid on this topic once and for all.

Thermite is not used to bring down buildings

And why the Niels Harrit report is meaningless anyway


RonMossad said...

REAL 9/11 Truth sites:

Debunking 9/11 Myths
Some internet discussion group talking about why nanothermites would never have worked
Detailed article on why thermites could not have been used to bring down the towers
Website devoted to debunking the movie "Loose Change"
Popular Mechanics article that destroys the conspiracy theorists
Report from Structure Magazine on the collapse of WTC Building 7

Mike Machlin said...

Wow dude, great job!

I'm sick of seeing these idiots sharing their insane ideas with each other, and posting all those videos linking Jews to the 911 attacks. Of course it was Arabs!

In my opinion we ought to amend the constitution to make this kind of hate speech illegal. And then to enforce it, send men with guns after them. They'll get the picture real fast.

I even know this Jewish guy, who thinks that the planes were hijacked by Arabs but that the American Government may have allowed it to happen for some stupid reason.

He must be a "Self-Hating Jew" because all "Truthers" think it was Zionists.

Dont listen to anything these people have to say! You are a true patriot my friend!


RonMossad said...

lol whooooaaaa sarcasm detection meter is going off the charts here!

Just to point out - I'm assuming this mysterious "Jewish Guy" you know also runs a brilliant online blog based on his favorite character from Rounders. To clarify, if I were him (which clearly, I'm not!) I would remind everyone that he's not saying the American government "allowed" it to happen in that it was complicit in ANY way whatsoever. Rather, the government, along with the general American public and the West ignored a growing threat that was getting bigger under their very noses.

There's a big difference between aiding and abetting and simply being too stupid to realize a crime is taking place that is targeting you. It's the difference between being a perpetrator and a victim.

Also, if I were this fine gentleman (which again would be crazy to think!) I would remind you that freedom of speech applies to EVERYONE and that any limitations on it are unacceptable. That being said, just because you say something doesn't mean I have to like it. It also doesn't mean I don't get to respond which may include telling you that I think you're an idiot. It's when I or the government attempt to pass laws that limit your ability to speak that it becomes an issue.

Thanks for your post - I hope you take the time to read some of my other articles now that you've found this site.

Mike Machlin said...

I have read em all buddy. And I have learned a lot too.

I remember those days when I believed what you believed. Well, needless to say those days are long gone...

Bethany said...

It's scary and sad that writing an entry like this is necessary. You would think that logic alone dictates it's irrelevancy. I guess common sense and reasoning isn't as natural to some as it is to others.

It's downright disturbing the comments subsequent to its posting. said...

Whoever wrote this blog seems like an avid racist, for as opposed to understanding scientific fact, the person would rather demonize all Arabs. Even worse, the person claims 'anti-semetic' when bringing up facts about the corruption of the Israelies. Semites are the name of historical people from the region, not just people from Israel! Can't have it both ways and be taken seriously ...

The Truth of what really happened during the false-flag, psychological operation otherwise known as 9/11 is obvious to anyone who can step away from emotions.

Consider that 70% of victims family members questions were not answered, and that the majority of family members know they were lied to and want new investigation.

Consider also tens of thousands of hero first responders also know they were lied to and are sick and dying today based on those lies.

Some people believe an outlandish conspiracy theory involving 19 Arab hijackers who allegedly: commandeered four commercial jets with nothing more than their cunning, wit, resolve, hatred of America, and some box cutters; then proceed to fly these aircraft around US airspace unfettered for a total lapsed time of over an hour; on three of the planes, pulled stunning flight maneuvers beyond the capability of even expert pilots; and, managed to cause damage to their targets — one of which just happens to have been the most heavily defended building in the world — so extreme as to be in clear violation of several well understood laws of Physics, Chemistry, and Thermodynamics.

This amazing conspiracy theory is even more suspicious and bizarre in that it is the one proffered by the United States Government (USG) and the 9-11 Cover-Up Omission Commission. In the 9-11 Truth Movement we call it the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT).

Thankfully, despite the best efforts of the corporate-controlled media and virtually the entire US Congress, there are literally millions of people in this country and millions more around the world who do not believe that these 19 Arabs, as clever as they purportedly were, could have somehow suspended the laws of Physics on 9-11.

Patriots Question -

Architects and Engineers for Truth -

Pilots for 9-11 Truth -

Scholars for Truth and Justice -

Journal of 9-11 Studies -
Physics 9-11 -

9-11 Research -

WTC 7 -

9-11 Review -

9-11 Citizens Watch -

9-11 Reading Room -

Stranger Than Fiction -

9/11 Blogger -

Anonymous said...

This is just a general, supporting comment. The world is NOT against you. True Hindus love and support Israel and we are in total solidarity with our Jewish brothers.

"Jindar" (display name) said...

The death-knell for the 9/11 conspiracy theories is that there are many contradicting versions. Was it NWO bankers or the illuminati? The Bush Administration looking for money or Israel? Is the ultimate objective more money or world domination? Planes or no planes? Hijackers or missiles? Explosives or no explosives?

I particularly like the last two paragraphs.

Buzz Fugazi said...

There was an interesting theory about one of the buildings that collapsed... not one of the Twin Towers... another one...

the problem with these efforts to pull the curtain open on the Wizard is... what if they are correct? If so, does it make sense denouncing these all powerful conspiracies on the internet? HEY!!!! GIANT EVIL CONSPIRACY... I WANT BLACK HELECOPTERS SWOOPING DOWN ON MY RANCH PRONTO!

RonMossad said...

Mike - thanks for reading my stuff. And I remember the days when I believed what YOU believed...those days are not so far gone. I'm not so sure what's changed more since then, myself...or the world itself...

RonMossad said...

Bethany - it is sad...but at least it keeps me in business! Although now that I think about it, this "business" really doesn't pay very well at all.

RonMossad said...

Ok Firefightersfor911Truth, nice to meet you...welcome to the show.

I must tell you however that I resent the racist comment. Show me please where I said in this posting (or anywhere for that matter) that "all Arabs" are complicit in terrorism or where I "demonize" all of anyone. Also, please show me where I use the words "anti-semetic" in this posting, or anywhere else for that matter. In fact, I invite you to read this entry where I specifically point out that shouldn't refer to Jew-haters as anti-Semites.

I'm pretty sure that this is a copy/paste job since it doesn't actually address anything I actually said but I'll still point out a few things you said that I'm confused about. Maybe you can help un-confuse me.

"Consider that 70% of victims family members questions were not answered,"

Which questions were not answered? And how do you get 70%? Were there exactly 100 questions that only 30 were answered? Were these multiple choice questions or essay questions?

"Consider also tens of thousands of hero first responders also know they were lied to and are sick and dying today based on those lies."

OK. "Thousands" of first-responders are dying? Are they dying in the sense that we're all dying since the day we're born? Or is there something killing these people? Where are these people dying? Are there enough hospital beds in NYC to house these "thousands" of people? Why hasn't anyone noticed the "thousands" of dead bodies piling up all through the city? Have they been dying since 9/11? Because that's already almost eight years ago...are they still "dying" or was this written eight years ago and never updated? Because I'm not sure how there could be any of these people left after eight years...

"Some people believe an outlandish conspiracy theory involving 19 Arab hijackers who allegedly:"

If by "some people" you mean "nearly everyone" - then yes your undocumented statement is accurate.

"commandeered four commercial jets with nothing more than their cunning, wit, resolve, hatred of America, and some box cutters;"

Yes it's crazy that five guys could defeat one pilot and 1 or 2 female flight attendants. Everyone knows that part of airline training is learning how to be Chuck Norris.

"then proceed to fly these aircraft around US airspace unfettered for a total lapsed time of over an hour;"

Is an hour a long time? There are 40,000 flights over your head everyday...I'd be willing to bet that not even a day goes by that several planes are lost track of on a daily basis. It's called human error, kid.

"on three of the planes, pulled stunning flight maneuvers beyond the capability of even expert pilots; and, managed to cause damage to their targets"

They flew INTO buildings. Some of the biggest buildings in the world. You may not realize this, but planes fly into buildings ACCIDENTALLY all the time. It stands to reason that if something could happen accidentally, your success ratio increases dramatically if you intentionally attempt the same feat. PS the reason "experts pilots" can't do what the hijackers did (another undocumented claim) is because they spend their entire careers PRACTICING TO DO THE OPPOSITE. By the way, how many expert pilots have attempted to crash into the WTC and failed?

"one of which just happens to have been the most heavily defended building in the world"

Not defended against suicide planes, something that had never been done before in history.

"so extreme as to be in clear violation of several well understood laws of Physics, Chemistry, and Thermodynamics."

Popular Mechanics disagrees with you. Also, that's another undocumented claim. Unless you yourself are a physics professor you are not qualified to make that claim by any stretch of the imagination.

I would appreciate it immensely if you could get back to me on my queries as well as please answer where you determined that I was "demonizing all Arabs" and claimed anyone was "anti-semetic" in this posting or any other that you had read. Also, if you could prove you actually read what I wrote before you posted that obviously canned copy/paste response I would really appreciate it.

Thanks I'll be waiting here, anxiously for your response.

RonMossad said...

Thanks IndianTiger - and I in turn love the true Hindus. If ever there was a people that understood the plight of the Israeli, it is the Indian.

RonMossad said...

Jindar - you're right. They never have a coherent enemy. They don't know what the answer is, they just know what the answer isn't. But when you keep changing who the enemy is, it's great because it puts YOU in control of the situation. There's nothing to fear if you can keep hitting the "reset" button on the Nintendo and start over.

RonMossad said...

Buzz - I think I get what you're saying here. If these yo-yo's are right, why is this New World Order not putting an end to their lives?? Or at least finding a way to disconnect their internet connections. You'd think with all that money, power, influence they're at least be able to do THAT. Right?!?! said...

RonMossad still cannot accept simple physics the rest of the world has been taught and understands because of his hatred of Arabs.

Has RonMossad even acknowledged what scientists above and behind his scope of reason have published in front of the world?

RonMossad seems like a thoroughbred racist, as exmplified by his vilification not just of Arabs, but of the scientific process.

Not to mention outright denial of Israeli atrocities against the Palestinian peoples.

Your arguments are mute since your refusal to accept science, as well as your insistance to believe anything our govt. says about 9/11, has painted you into the corner of closed minds.

Talk about loss of critical thought ...

Wake up kid, go to the links provided, and stop your denial of scientific FACT.

"Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe"

Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic. said...

A recent article published in the respected peer-reviewed Open Chemical Physics Journal by nine noted scientists offers incontrovertible proof that the dust from the Twin Towers and Building Seven of the World Trade Center contains small intact samples of Thermite.

Thermite is a highly explosive agent consisting mostly of aluminum and iron oxide, and is used to cut steel in building controlled demolitions, and is also used in welding and in military applications.

Using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy, and differential scanning calorimetry, the scientists were able to determine that the Thermite present is of a specialized type called Nano-thermite or Superthermite. It burns hotter and has a lower ignition temperature than normal Thermite, and is produced at laboratories such as Lawrence Livermore, incidentally thought to be the same lab that produced the anthrax sent out shortly after 9/11.

Nano-thermite could not be accidentally present in dust samples collected at four different sites, nor could it be the result of clean-up operations at ground zero, as one of the samples was retrieved a mere ten minutes or so after the collapse of the second tower. All samples show the same consistency.

This would explain the streams of molten steel (not aluminum) falling from one of the towers, and the fact that steel remained molten in the rubble for more than a month after the event. There is no scientific explanation for this other than the use of Thermite, which can achieve temperatures of 3500 C, while under ideal conditions jet fuel can achieve just approximately 285 C. It would also explain the otherwise physically impossible near freefall speed of the three buildings, and how they were able to fall so homogeneously.

So what does it mean? It means that there is proof (which so far no one has attempted to refute) that the WTC buildings (and more than three thousand lives, counting the ongoing deaths of first responders and ordinary NYC citizens caused by the dust) were brought down by controlled demolition in a planned and purposeful manner by elements of the Bush Administration, most likely as a ‘catalyzing event’ , the new Pearl Harbor’ fondly mentioned by neo-con PNAC (Plan for the New American Century) and designed to galvanize American citizens in support of attacking other nations and restricting human rights at home. ‘Full Specter Domination’.

This was the excuse or invading Afghanistan and Iraq (there were plans for Syria and Iran as well, and perhaps others), for justifying domestic spying, disappearances, torture, and murder. Murder based on lies and deception, and the killing of American citizens.

Knowing, as he must by now, that 9/11 was conceived and executed not from some dark cave in Afghanistan, but much more likely from some deep bunker in dank Cheneystan, will President Obama still insist on ‘looking ahead’? Just how deep is America’s reserve of dismissal and denial?
I feel for all the victims of 9/11, past, present and future, but was especially haunted by those poor souls who chose to jump to their deaths, or who fell. Surely the people who did this need to be brought to justice. Otherwise America is not ‘looking ahead’. She has her eyes shut tight while she babbles inanities.

John S. Hatch is a Vancouver writer and film-maker.

RonMossad said...

Wow, it's amazing it's like you completely ignored everything I wrote in my last comment. I mean it's mindblowing - this is me having my mind blown. Nevermind though...let's go through some of your new comments:

"RonMossad still cannot accept simple physics the rest of the world has been taught and understands because of his hatred of Arabs.

Has RonMossad even acknowledged what scientists above and behind his scope of reason have published in front of the world?"

I guess all those sites I linked to in my first comment here must hate Arabs too. Popular Mechanics, Structure Magazine - all in the pockets of the Mossad propaganda machine.

"RonMossad seems like a thoroughbred racist, as exmplified by his vilification not just of Arabs, but of the scientific process."

1. Calling someone a "thoroughbred" and a "racist" in the same sentence is pretty hilarious. You just can't make this stuff up folks.

2. Please show me where I "vilified the scientific process" at any point. Please also respond to my previous questions namely where I vilified all Arabs and used the phrase "anti-Semetic" in reference to anything.

"Not to mention outright denial of Israeli atrocities against the Palestinian peoples."

And the relevance of Israeli acts of self-defense against Palestinian terrorists is to whether or not the government or the Mossad brought down the WTC is...what exactly? Way to prove your point that you don't have an agenda against Israel by the way.

"Your arguments are mute"

I think you mean "moot" not mute.

"since your refusal to accept science, as well as your insistance to believe anything our govt. says about 9/11, has painted you into the corner of closed minds."

Please show me my refusal to accept science when I posted two links to two different scientific magazines. Also, you're saying that my insistence on believing ANYTHING our government says about 9/11 makes my points "mute" ? Meaning everything the government says is a lie, beyond the shadow of a doubt? Annnnnd in the same sentence you claim I'm closed minded? Ok terrific!

"Talk about loss of critical thought..."

"Wake up kid, go to the links provided,"

I've seen them and they're misleading and nonsensical...much like you.

"and stop your denial of scientific FACT."

Need documentation for these statements. Let me know when you find it - I'll be right here, waiting for you.


How does this prove that the government wired three buildings for demolition right under the noses of hundreds of thousands of people without anyone raising an issue over it? How does it address the fact that I posted a link that emphatically stated that thermite could not have brought down the buildings?

RonMossad said...

The second column is an copy/pasted opinion piece from a film-maker. It adds no new information or facts and is just a rehash goose-step of what your group keeps saying over and over again.

British Babe said...

Great article.

The anti semitism out here in cyberspace is astonishing in its sheer lunacy. Every negative world event that happens, and Jews are to blame! It would be funny if it wasn't that these morons were so filled with hatred and so HAPPY to accept notions that defy all common sense.

I blog on similar topics at Here in the UK Israel gets demonised to an extent that has led to increased violence against Jews throughout Britain. I truly hope that America will not be following in our footsteps - but with Obama trying so hard to make Iran his new best friend, I'm not sure...

Unknown said...

I am not even a Jew and I call ass clowns out when they go off on their rants about Zionists, Jewish bankers, et al, and blaming the Jewish people for all of the ills of the world. Last I saw, Not one single Jew has ever blown himself up for G_d, nor have I seen a Jew decapitate a non-Jewish journalist, or kidnap teenaged girls rape them and convert them to judaism. That is all done courtesy of the followers of the pedophile Muhammad.

Ray said...

Well done! When it gets down to the actual details of these conspiracy theories, "truthers" look stupid very quickly. It's easy to make wild claims but harder to back that up by a realistic analysis of the steps and resources needed to actually pull something like that off.

I think it's time we simply treated "truthers" with the same ridicule and contempt as, say, Holocaust Deniers (there's probably a high overlap factor anyway). My patience has run out.

Anonymous said...


Great work, man! Keep it up and bring the truth out. I have no doubts that 9/11 was an Arab job and I fully support you on this. Trust me, true Hindus will always support Israel and our Jewish brothers. We are together in this fight against Islamic scum.

Long live Israel!

RonMossad said...

Thanks Jew With A View - the sad truth is that these people hide behind their computers because they have no courage to actually DO anything about what they claim. I will take a look at your blog.

RonMossad said...

Clark - none of those things that you bring up fit in with the crafty Jew banker stereotype that these theories are based on that these people love. Thanks for the support my man!

RonMossad said...

Ray - your 9/11 conspiracy theorist/Holocaust denier is quite valid. It's all the same type of "I don't care what you ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED YOURSELF you're wrong because I don't believe you!" It's no surprise that there is indeed an overlap between the two brands of denial.

RonMossad said...

IndianTiger - always good to read your posts...proud Jews/Israelis will always support our Indian brothers as well.

Puppetgov said...

How could that many people keep a secret? Do you remember the Manhattan Project? Thousands there did.

Who gained from 9/11? Pretext for two wars, loss of our basic civil liberties, Patriot Act I & II, Habeas Corpus,Military Commissions Act,
Free Speech Zones etc. Learn from history. The Reichstag fire.

Keep searching.

Ray said...

Puppetgov: Yes, and Hitler was actually secretly funded and controlled by the Allies. Because who gained from WWII? The Allies' military industrial complex! See? It's that easy!


Bethany said...

People like puppetgov scare me. Legitimately send shivers down my spine.

RonMossad said...

Puppetgov -

a) The Mahannatan Project took place during the 40's, there was no internet, 24/7 news channels, any TV to speak of all was SIGNIFICANTLY easier to keep a secret

b) The people who were part of the Manhattan Project that even knew what they were doing knew they were going to use the bomb to win WWII, not kill innocent American civilians. Furthermore, the Manhattan Project was conducted in remote facilities far, far away from the general population, not right under the very noses of the people they intended to incinerate!

c) Do you know who was part of the Manhattan Project? Did the general public already know who was involved within 6 months of the bomb going off? Are there records of letters being sent to Truman protesting the use of the bomb even BEFORE it was used? We're almost 8 years after the fact and still you cannot show me one bit of actual PROOF of any of these supposed perpetrators. It's all speculation and circumstantial nonsense.

As for the Reichstag's nice that 9/11 conspiracy people like to keep bringing up an example that will hit home with Jews but just because both events were blamed on minorities does not make them identical in any shape, manner or form.

In addition, these examples you bring up had MUCH MORE catastrophic effects for the world than the PATRIOT Act. Or the elimination of two horrible, autocratic, evil regimes. Or do you think we should reinstate the Taliban and bring Saddam Hussein back from the dead? Ridiculous!

Do YOU know the history of what you're bringing up? How long was it between the Reichstag fire and the Nuremburg laws? Hitler was a GOD within 24 hours of the fire. Shouldn't President Bush have figured out a way to get a third term by now? Oh that's right, he doesn't have to because him and Obama are all part of the same supersecret organization that beams electromagentic waves into our brains to keep us stupid and docile. But that God we have the 9/11 truth brigade to defend posting on the internet.

The suggestion that an organization as powerful as what you guys suggest would allow you to keep talking about and exposing them with these hundreds of thousands of websites and MAKE MONEY off of doing it, is the biggest hole in the bottom of your boat. Do you think Hitler or even Roosevelt would have allowed all this publicity for the Reichstag fire or the Manhattan Project? Or do you think the Gestapo would have made you disappear years ago.

The most ironic thing is that the fact that your organization even EXISTS is proof that it should not.

Anonymous said...

As a physicist, I find it amazing that anyone can ignore the recent findings by Niels Harrit, et al. Placing blame on anybody for this crime is irresponsible at this point. Arabs, Jews, Americans etc. should all come together to find out the truth. There is now no doubt that nano-thermite was present at the WTC. This is too big to ignore, and should not be confused with regular thermite. There are only a handful of places in the world that have the technology to produce this high explosive. Please leave your personal views out of the discussion, and strive to find the truth. Our future on this planet may very well depend on this. I only post anonymously for fear of losing my position and grants... "the truth will set us free"

RonMossad said...

Excuse me Mr./Mrs. Anonymous Physicist...the only blame I am placing is on the 20 hijackers (please remember Mr. Zacarias Moussaoui - who admitted to being part of the al Qaeda plot) and the people who sent them, back them and support them. It is not ALL Arabs that I blame for this, it is the ARABS who were responsible for it and that's exactly who it was. Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't.

I would also invite you to read my short follow up to this article that you have commented on. These are also not my "personal views" - this is simple common sense and as an alleged physicist I would expect you to use some. I would also expect you to have the intelligence to know that just because you don't put your name in your posts doesn't mean that your ISP couldn't be subpoenaed by the evil government you fear to give up your name, address.

Whether you intended to or not, in the world you have created for yourself you have most definitely placed your career in jeopardy. But sleep well tonight knowing that you're just paranoid and nothing will come out of it. I don't have that luxury.

But back to the task at hand. It's hard for me...or anyone with a modicum of common sense to take this report seriously when it itself states the following:

The resulting spectrum, shown in Fig. (14), produced the expected peaks for Fe, Si, Al, O, and C. Other peaks included calcium, sul-fur, zinc, chromium and potassium. The occurrence of these elements could be attributed to surface contamination due to the fact that the analysis was performed on the as-collected surface of the red layer. The large Ca and S peaks may be due to contamination with gypsum from the pulverized wall-
board material in the buildings.
So by their own admission the scientists are saying that in SIX YEARS that the samples were hanging out in lay peoples' homes they MAY have been contaminated. Wow, really?

The paper also never actually says that material in question is nanothermite or even regular thermite...rather that...

These observations reminded us of nano-thermite fabricated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and elsewhereSo it REMINDED them of a substance that no one aside for 9/11 conspiracy people apparently knows anything about. Can they conclusively say exactly what it is? Well...

We would like to make detailed comparisons of the red chips with known super-thermite composites, along with comparisons of the products following ignition, but there are many forms of this high-tech thermite, and this comparison must wait for a future study....not really. Because they can't really get their hands on this nano stuff because we're not sure it really exists. Ok. And further...

All these data suggest that the thermitic material found in the WTC dust is a form of nano-thermiteHow incredibly conclusive! I have some suggestions of my own. Well at least they're not jumping to any conclusions right?

We make no at-tempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present until more is learned about the red material and especially about the nature of the organic material it contains.

Why bother making an attempt to actually identify this substance, right?

Well that's ok, at least we know for sure it's not paint chips right? Well of course not! Because...

we have shown that the red material contains both elemental aluminum and iron oxideOh. I see. There's iron oxide (rust) and aluminum in this mixture. There's no WAY that rust or aluminum could possibly have gotten into the Twin Towers. Except of course that the Twin Towers had tons upon tons of aluminum and every building in history that had iron it also had oxidized iron (rust) in it.

How totally convincing. It's stunning even! How could anyone ignore this incredibly conclusive evidence!

The material they found, that had been contaminated over six years, reminded them of nanothermite or regular thermite but probably nanothermite no really it's almost definitely they nano kind. Or it might be just regular paint. Except that it also has rust and aluminum in it. Which may be a result of the contamination or it may just be because those two substances are present in just about every structure in the history of construction.

The inconclusiveness of this paper (and it's really stunningly inconclusive) doesn't answer any of the following issues I've raised.

-How did they got 10-100 tons of this highly dangerous substance into three buildings right under the noses of the very people they were going to kill?

-How did they detonate this substance? Was it a timer? Remote control? Telepathy?

-How did they know exactly where the planes were going to hit in order to plant the explosives in a way that would make it seem that the structure of the building gave way right around the point of impact?

-Perhaps most importantly...if this material is as highly explosive and reactive as everyone says it is, why didn't it explode as soon as it came in contact with the burning hot flaming jet fuel that exploded all around it? Why didn't the buildings collapse immediately after the planes hit? Did this substance just decide to wait to react to the fire?

-100 other issues I've brought up about this conspiracy.

I anxiously await your response. And don't worry I'll be right here, waiting for you. And please hurry before the gestapo come to your house after the IP trace goes through! After all the fate of the planet...nay the UNIVERSE depends on you convincing me that this attack on perpetrated on the good bankers of Wall Street was hatched by the evil combined geniuses of Bush and Obama and the illumanti and the Jews...wait, I thought they were all on the same team? Oh nevermind that.

SnoopyTheGoon said...

Illuminati will do you in anytime, if you are not careful. This is why it's recommended to put some anti-fungal powder in your socks, when you are planning a long hike in the wild.

Er... what was I about?

Anonymous said...

Although I am not in the business of speculation or placing blame, I do find it disturbing that several of the "hijackers" were proven to be quite alive and well. As far as Moussaoui, videotapes of his interrogations were destroyed by the U.S. govt. and this will certainly discredit any information obtained from him in a court. That being said, myself and others are awaiting our own samples of the dust in question for review in our own laboratory. You seem to have a lot of passion for this, much like myself, and although I came across your site by accident, I appreciate the challenge of convincing people like yourself with science. Your follow-up on thermite welding is interesting, but could never account for the amounts of the material in question that has been found. Trust me, I will be doing a thorough analysis as to the amounts present myself.
What the paper is saying is the substance in question, although very similar to thermite (like the kind used to weld), exhibits several chemical and physical properties consistent with nano-thermite. Nano-thermite, by the way certainly does exist and has been manufactured and tested as early as the mid 1990's at several laboratories. I invite you to look at some of the more impressive work done at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories, although some of these reports that are available are very hard to completely comprehend without a solid background in advanced nano-technologies.
"We make no attempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present until more is learned..." I appreciate this very much - these researchers are allowing for peer review before jumping to conclusions. Nano-thermites can be manufactured in many forms by simply changing the quantities. Make no mistake - there is no doubt of its presence here, although the form is in question. The actual science in the paper is rock solid, the researchers are only being cautious. This, as you know is a very important subject. Another point that must be taken into consideration: the material in question was unexploded. This is very important because the composition of the material is still in tact. No amount of welding, plane crashing, or building collapsing can form these highly complex formulations! Had only the individual "ingredients" been found, we would not be having this debate, and all of your points would be unarguably correct.
As far as contamination of the samples, anything is certainly possible, except for contamination with a substance in every sample that very few people can even get outside of a high tech laboratory. Please realize that elemental aluminum is nothing like the structural aluminum present at the WTC. Neither planes nor explosives, or anything else could "create" elemental aluminum from the building material.
I will try to answer your questions to the best of my ability. I agree that 10 - 100 tons of this material would be very difficult to get into the buildings unnoticed - unless it was taken in under the disguise of something else. Turner Construction Co. was a company hired to re-fireproof many of the steel frames in both towers during the late 1990's. I HATE speculating, but there are simply too many coincidences. This company was also responsible for some of the cleanup that quickly followed the tragedy before myself, or anybody else for that matter could thoroughly examine the steel, or other rubble.
Detonation would have to have been a specific remote controlled sequence in order to achieve the 3 perfect "collapses". Please consider that the chances of 3 buildings falling straight down perfectly into their own footprints at near free-fall (I said near free-fall, not free-fall: I know this is a big "debunking" thing but we are talking about several seconds difference in any case) is from my scientific perspective impossible.
As far as where the planes hit, from my limited research on this particular aspect, they both hit secure computer rooms that certainly could have contained any number of available homing devices to guide the planes, but there I go speculating again about something I'm not completely familiar with.
To address your last point, you can certainly watch the interview with Harrit again, and he clearly states that the substances in question can be used for both explosions and melting. In one video, molten steel (please don't say it is molten aluminum from the planes, it's not possible with a hydrocarbon fire)can be seen pouring from the South tower seconds before the initiation of total collapse. No amount of jet fuel will do that, trust me, I've done all of the experiments along with thousands of my colleagues. Thermitic material would only have to weaken or eliminate key parts of the structure below the impact zone. Many loud explosions can be heard in several videos, and there are pages of eyewitness testimony (convieniently left out of any of the official reports) describing these explosions at street level and below, no where near the points of impact. Please understand that if indeed the planes caused the towers to fall, we would not have seen the pulverization of building materials such as concrete. Very few pieces of concrete were found that were larger than 6-10 inches in diameter, coupled with the fact that both towers were reduced to approximately 5 story high piles of debris and easily manageable pieces of steel. Also worth mentioning is WTC 7, which fell into it's own footprint later in the day in about 7 seconds: THAT is free-fall speed, and no airplane hit that building! Fires, my good man, do not bring down buildings in that fashion.
For the record, I actually laughed out loud at your last paragrapgh ( Thank you for that, we all need a good laugh sometimes!) and thankfully I'm not that paranoid. I also never pointed any fingers at anybody, and as I stated in my other post, it is simply too soon for that. I will be sure to visit your site again, especially after I have the chance to do more research myself. Believe me when I say that I hope you are correct, and that I prove myself and many of my colleagues wrong. The initial evidence suggests quite the opposite, however. Thank you for your time, and your educated and well thought out response to my initial post.

RonMossad said...

Ok I'm assuming this is the same Anonymous Physicist from last night...

Again, I'm not here to debunk nor am I a scientist so there's only so much I can do to address what people who do this for a living are saying. I will do my best though with what I can. And I appreciate that you have a sense of humor. With the things I write about, if I didn't laugh at myself and other occasionally...I'd ACTUALLY lose it.

On hijackers being alive - this was due to confusion from the fact that apparentlythere's more than one Waleed and Abdul in the Middle East. These mistakes have already been corrected. Please see this link for more information.

Moussaoui testimony not holding up in court - I don't care. The man admitted it and it was backed up by other people. If he walks due to the stupidity/incompetence of the FBI/CIA/etc it will be a terrible injustice but doesn't make him any less of a jerk in reality.

Too much thermite in samples for it to be from train tracks etc - I disagree. They found four samples that by their own admission were contaminated by other materials. Why is it a definite that they were only contaminated by the substances Niels Harrit wants them to be contaminated by and not by what he doesn't want them to be contaminated by?

Nanothermite is a real substance - I still have not seen any proof of this being used ANYWHERE on the internet, in news reports or essays aside from the 9/11 conspiracy world. BUT, I took your advice and looked up the "Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories" and found this article from October of 2000. I'm assuming this is the same article Harrit referred to in the paper in question.

I read this article and found that the substance you mention is in a research phase and nothing more. I found no mention of a use for nanothermite in controlled demolition or anything of the sort. However, taking into account the possibility that research on this continued over the next 11 months to the point that they could produce the kind of demolition device (which I highly doubt) you are proposing...and then USED it to murder 3,000 people...why on EARTH would this article still exist for public consumption on the internet? Why would the government not eliminate this proof for your like like you allege they eliminated so many other proofs? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Waiting for peer review before jumping to conclusions - it appears that they HAVE jumped to conclusions by going on television and claiming they've found a "loaded gun" that proves their case once and for all. They're just a little scared to say it outright in print. Also, riddle me this...why is it "jumping to conclusions" if the case is so rock solid. If I said to you right now that the Earth revolves around the sun instead of vice versa, would you say I was jumping to conclusions?

Elemental aluminum - I'm sorry I'm going to claim ignorance on this one. I have not been able to find anything, anywhere that backs up your claim that this substance is as rare as you say it is. From what I've gathered it is not something that occurs freely in nature but is used in manufacturing things as mundane as soda cans...or aircraft fuselages. Once the aluminum hits the air - it immediately oxidizes on the outside which ruins its purity and stops it from being an element. Am I right so far? Ok, if so...I have two follow-up questions for you.

1. Was there any aluminum oxide found within these particles? (yes)

2. Were any of the "contaminated" elements used in airplane construction along with aluminum? (yes, please see this article on airplane fuselages which utilize mostly pure aluminum with added chromium and other elements, all found within these particles)

Turner Construction Co fireproofed the buildings in the "late nineties - Ok. So I just pulled this site and found that the work was actually done in January, 1997. These buildings sat...with these highly volatile nanothermites all over the place...for almost FIVE years just waiting...and for what exactly? If the government did this why wait so long to pull the trigger on this scheme? And how lucky that nothing triggered a catastrophic explosion over the course of those almost FIVE years? That's incredibly risky, irresponsible and would jeopardize the entire operation needlessly. NOT TO MENTION that the nanothermite that you claim was the culprit here wouldn't even be invented for THREE MORE years! That makes no sense AT ALL.

I would also point out that the work order that allegedly proves that this is true says that it is revised on 3/24/94. How could a work order from 1997 be revised in 1994? This also makes no sense.

Three buildings falling straight down into a perfect footprint - OK, no research necessary here...this just isn't true. The fact that building Seven collapsed, proves that they did NOT fall into their own footprint. Parts crashed into other buildings and destroyed them. Makes no sense. Also, if you were going to fake a spontaneous collapse, why would try to make it look like a non-spontaneous collapse?

The planes hit computer rooms - No offense but have you even been in an office building? Every company on every floor would have their own secure computer and server rooms. Probably several per floor. I don't see how they could have NOT hit computer rooms. Also, you mention "homing devices" - does this mean you don't believe there were any pilots on the planes themselves? Would these homing devices have cause the planes to turn diagonally at the last second and cause further structural weakening in additional floors? Did Turner Construction Company take that into account when they were rigging those additional floors to explode back in 1997? Or 1994?

Melted aluminum VS melted steel - I don't know anything about either, but this guy sure seems to. Or at least he quotes other guys that do.

Loud explosions heard nowhere near the impact zones - There were fires raging all over Lower Manhattan. The fires came in contact with several explosive materials and blew them up. Loud crashes could be construed as explosions especially in the midst of the chaos that was occurring in and round Ground Zero.

Finally, as millions of pounds of steel and concrete buckle, give way and eventually collapse...loud noises that sound like explosions can be heard. Remember also that this testimony is coming from shell-shocked survivors. I wouldn't exactly consider them to be in the best frame of mind to determine what kind of noises they heard in the seconds before the two biggest buildings in the city came crashing down on them. Moot point completely.

Pulverized concrete - See above about millions of pounds if not billions of these materials collapsing in on themselves. Why would a controlled demolition cause them to pulverize, but a non-controlled demolition that still brings down the same amount of material on itself not cause it? I don't follow. Either way, the same effect is happening - a building collapses.

Building Seven collapsing in 7 seconds - Unfortunately that's just not trueNot pointing fingers at anybody - I'm pointing fingers at the people who did this. It's the same people that shoot rockets into Israeli schools, blow up pizza restaurants, trains, hotels, military barracks and World Trade Centers. Arab terrorists.

You don't like to speculate - clearly untrue, most easily debunked of all since you used the old "I'm not going to speculate and I hate doing but..." gag no less than three times in the same post.

Elmondohummus said...


Sorry if this has been mentioned above; I merely skipped right to the end, only stopping in parts before I got here. Anyway:

1. Another excellent link for refutations of conspiracy fantasies is Mark Robert's page. It's not as highly organized as, say, 911Myths is, but I'll be cooked if it's not one of the best info dumps on 9/11 stuff anywhere.

2. In regards to that "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth" lunacy: I would direct anyone interested to this link to see what firefighters actually think about that page, as well as the topics the page's owner tries to peddle: Anyone who wants to advocate for Jones's et. al.'s latest paper regarding "thermitic compounds", I suggest you peruse this refutation from a materials scientist over at the JREF forum: is other decent conversation over there.

Lastly, RonMossad, don't hesitate to hit up the search function at the JREF page if someone tries to hit you with something you've not seen before. I can definitely testify that 99.9% of what conspiracy peddlers will throw onto this comments page will have already been refuted over there.

That's all. Thanks for your time.

Anonymous said...

Have you published your findings refuting Jones and company in a peer-reviewed scientific journal?

Your answer of course is no. The findings of Jones and company do not state WHO planted thermite based materials in the towers.

You could easily say Islamic terrorists flew planes into the buildings and planted explosives in the building in order to cling to your official story.

But then that will cause you to question the security measures, etc, why cover up of the reason why they collapsed globally, that will lead you away from the OS and into the realm of reality.

RonMossad said...

Thanks Elmondohummus, good resources all of them. Great handle by the way.

RonMossad said...

Hi Mr./Mrs. Anonymous, thanks for your amazing post. You are right that I have never published anything in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. However, there seems to be a bit of a problem with your friends' submission to the illustrious Bentham Journal:

Bentham Editor Quits in Protest Over Jones ArticleOOPS!

anonymous physicist said...

Hi Ron,
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you, the other anonymous comment wasn't me. I've been extremely busy at work, but I feel it is my duty to reply to you because after all, it was me who came to you. I think that you have strong convictions, which I have no problem with, but this might interfere with your understanding of the truth that is certainly right in front of you. You must open your mind to some of my science, and put your personal views aside for the moment. I apologize also for bringing my personal views into this debate, and I'm refering to the fireproofing, etc. I am simply trying to find truth in this whole mess, and was suggesting things that could quite possibly be innocent events. However, in regards to elemental aluminum: I never stated this was rare, I stated that it could not be formed by plane crashes or building collapses. The fact that this nano-level aluminum was found in conjunction with other nano-level particles forming a nano-thermite, is very damning evidence! Please understand that I am not a conspiracy theorist, but a simple scientist that has had questions and evidence brought to me by other scientists, including physicists, and chemists, as well as architects, structural engineers, builders, steel workers, etc. After my careful, scientific review of this evidence, my expert analysis of the presented information has lead me to one conclusion: the destruction of the three skyscrapers in New York on 9/11/01 was DEFINITELY a well planned, controlled demolition. Unfortunately, this debate has been tainted over and over again with useless conspiracy theory such as "no plane" theories etc. I'm not one to point fingers, I'm only dealing in facts. The facts are that nano-thermitic material was definitively identified in the dust samples from the WTC. I am currently examining my own samples obtained from credible sources (people who are willing to go before a grand jury, under the risk of perjury on a Federal level and testify). You have to realize that contamination of all of the samples with nano-thermitic material is impossible. You are certainly not going to find research on a high-tech explosive developed at a Government laboratory readily available on the internet. Actually, neither am I! I was simply trying to give you a background on nano research by pointing out the articles from Lawrence Livermore. Make no mistake, top secret research does go on at that lab, including, but not limited to: weapons developement, explosives research, cloning research etc., etc., all of which is highly classified, and neither you nor I will ever(probably) see. A high-tech mixture of these nano-particles (including elemental aluminum) is not a coincidence. Not in four samples, not in even one sample. If this high explosive could be simply formed by airplane fuselage material hitting something steel that might have rust on it, we would all be in grave danger! Ron, you seem educated enough to make a decision for yourself, and I guess in reality I won't be able to change your mind on this subject. I only wish you could see this from my perspective as a physicist, and then you would realize that the evidence is overwhelmingly against your argument. I do research for a living, and if I could find something to refute the evidence, trust me, I would. Buildings don't fall like that from fire, or planes, or anything but controlled explosions for that matter! Hey, just as a side note, I just watched your videos of the lights in the sky with two of my colleagues (who are also nerds, working late this Friday!) and we were amazed! We all came up with the usual explanations, ie. lightning phenonmena, tranformers exploding, etc., but then found reasons why these reasons could not be possible. We're all amazed, and have no explanation for you! We also don't know what direction you are looking, or from where, so it is hard to tell if there is some geographic, or man-made reason for the lights. In any event, we have no explanation for you as of now, but trust me, we are all fascinated! Keep filming, and please consider the things I mentioned above. Thanks

RonMossad said...

My Anonymous friend, I have some bad news for you...

I'm not sure if you read this post that I did that should explain my final thoughts on this topic. If you don't take my obviously amateur viewpoint on this seriously (which I don't blame you, being a professional in the field), I invite you to read the comments, several of which are from actual experts...including one guy who is specifically a demolitions expert. There was no controlled explosion in the World Trade Center.

The other post I would like you to read it this one - essentially a reprinting of two articles. One is a translation of a news story in Danish on the fact that the editor of the journal that the paper was published in resigned in protest. The other is a translation of an Italian scientist's take on the faulty research that was used to reach these conclusions.

Show's over my man...

By the way, thanks for the feedback on the lights - the craziest part of it was that they occurred in two completely different points on the horizon. The one from last year was Northwest of me and about 15 miles away, the other from this week was Southwest of me and about 7 miles away.

No valid explanation anywhere. You want to do some speculating - that's the entry to do it on!

Dr. C said...

I'm sorry Ron, but you are obviously not an intellectually motivated person. Please, just ask, how can a building fall at free fall from a fire.( you can build yourself a little 3 story model size building and burn it man, its not going to behave the same way, even if you did it 1000 times, it wont collapse in freefall speed) and please stop trying to argue with physicists and chemists(like myself, actually)
Please stop thinking that the conspiracy theorists are blaming this on the Jews. We really couldn't care less about the involvment of the Jews in this conspiracy, because even if several jews WERE involved, this is not a crime based on race, this is a crime based purely on personal gains, so anyone of any race is open to be prosecuted.

Please realize how racist you are being, and stop trying to cite yourself as your own source by refering back to previous articles you have biasedly written. (improper source citation is particularly irksome) If you would like to continue your argument and say that the conspiracy is fake simply because a couple of the lower intelligence dimwits of the internet started tossing about racial libel towards Jews, please do not try to present your material as a factual statement, and please refrain from citing any government controled source/lackey, if you took the debate seriously, you would not accept research done by them on their own behalf.

Anonymous said...

Please also never cite Wardogs(ever actually) as a demolitions expert. He is associated directly with the military and government, and thus his assertions are bold lies. Please take a moment to analyze his comment...

Did you notice the completely trivial appeal to emotions with the story about his dog dieing, omg so sad! (nice attempt man, really, classic) He then goes on to "disprove" the bombing by showing you how long it takes for a private demoltions company to detonate a large building, WOW! Because private construction companies sure to have access to advanced technology, and are known specifically employing the smartest folks this side o the mississippi! (yeehaw!) Dont be an idiot, you have a bunch of average guys, and a few pyro technicians (they are not scientists, they are guys who have been trained to use explosives effectivly, TRAINED) Not to mention all of the safety regulations they have to abide by.

The game sure is over, looks like your the one who lost though ron

RonMossad said...

Hi Dr C - thanks for stopping by. If you would like answers to the questions you have brought up about tower collapses I invite you to click on any of the links I posted in my initial comment to this blog.

When you say "we" do you speak for the entire "truther" movement? Can I just limit this debate to just you and you'll put an end to all these anonymous posters who keep annoying me with questions that have already been addressed several times over? Either way, I'll keep doing my thing.

When I link back to previous blog entries that I posted myself I'm not sourcing MYSELF I'm sourcing the people that I used as sources in those previous entries as well as giving you more information to read on the topic that yes, I've written myself. This is my site, I write because I want people to read my writing. Therefore I will link back to other things I have written on my site. I find your lack of understanding of this to be "irksome" as well.

There is nothing racist about what I'm saying over here. In my experience, when you get to heart of the matter the "New World Order" is almost inevitably Jew-oriented. Why else do sites like prisonplanet, infowars, whatreallyhappened and dozens of others continually provide editorials on how Israel dictates American policy, bashing the Jewish lobby and yes, perpetuating Jewish race libels? And it's not just limited to "internet sites" it's radio show hosts and the "scholars" who run this movement as well.

As for arguing with chemists and physics like yourself - I have no idea who you are or what your credentials are. However, if I assume you to be who you say you are, I'm not myself fighting you...other scientists and professionals that are not employed by the government back up what I'm saying. But then you'll say to me that anyone who supports me is a government "source/lackey" - well what a perfect scenario you've created for yourself.

Anyone who agrees with you is right and anyone who doesn't is a government shill. You can't lose!

RonMossad said...

I'm not sure who this latest Anonymous poster is...I have to assume it's also "Dr. C" since they essentially posted at the same time.

I'm not citing Wardogs - he posted on my blog. I don't have any connection to the guy, I don't know him I don't even know that it's a him and not a her. That being said, what he posted makes logical sense and he sounds like he knows what he's talking about. You on the other hand use phrases like "omg" and insult demolitions experts as all being ignorant rednecks. Yes yes, you're right we're the narrow-minded/ignorant ones here...

You can't make this stuff up folks.

Anonymous said...

I do not say that the Jews, the muslims, the Extraterrestrials or someone else are responsible for 9/11. But the work of Niels Harrit and his 8 colleagues is flawless; i´m a chemist and know the methods they used.

the nano thermite chips are so advanced, that no research institute i know of (universities, official research institutes etc.) could possibly build them today.

on the chips there are structures in nanometer scale.

1 nanometer = about 10 atoms thick

thats very, very thin. osama bin laden could never produce it in his cave at afghanistan, nano technology was in his infancy back in 2001.

WTC 7 show signs of a controlled demolition. it collapsed in free fall speed, absolutely symmetrically into its own footprint. but i was not hit by an airplane and therefore did not burn like WTC 1 & 2. how is that possible?

next question:
why does the mass media not mention the work of prof. dr. harrit with a single word? that´s quite strange. they report if brad pitt got a new girlfriend, but at 9/11 over 3.000 americans were murdered and after finding some super hi-tech nano thermite every major newsmedia corporation ignores it.

i do not say "conspiracy", it´s simply strange for someone who can think logically.

the events at 9/11 lead to the invasion of aghanistan and iraq (perhaps iran is next), killing more than 1.3 million people and at the same time civil rights are eliminated to build a "1984" state.

so it is important to clear up 9/11. i´m eager to see how the people of the US will react when it gets out that some of their own government officials did this.

RonMossad said...

Hello Mr. Anonymous #1,583

There's nothing in your post that suggests you are a chemist beyond your statement of "I'm a chemist and know the methods they used."

WTC7 has been covered by me and by people much more knowledgeable than me. It did not collapse symmetrically or at free-fall speed. It did not show signs of controlled demolition.

Mass media reports on Brad Pitt because a) that's what people want to hear and b) because it's a nice distraction for the average idiot from the fact that there are hundreds of millions of people that want to kill them in the name of their religion.

They don't report on Niels Harrit because he's insane and so are the people he's associated with.

Your 1.3 million statistics are suspect to say the least.

The "1984" state is obviously functioning poorly because we are having this conversation. Either Big Brother isn't watching or doesn't care about what we're saying. Either option disproves your point.

9/11 is clear. A bunch of angry Arabs crashed four planes into America and killed a lot of people. Very disturbing and depressing. But true.

Anonymous said...

Ronmossad, Steven Jones and the other scientists confirmed that nano-thermite was found in the WTC dust based on multiple independent samples. why would there be nano-thermite in the dust in the WTC??????

why would anyone put highly explosive, dangerous demolitions in the WTC???

and WTC security was done by Kroll Associates, a jewish zionist company who got the security contract from the new york port authority, which was also run by jews including Hank Greenburg

federal judges Hellerstein and Mukasey are in charge of 9/11 litigation, and not 1 case has gone to court in order to punish those responsible for the attacks or negligent. Both these judges are pro-israel zionists.

WHY was nano-thermite in the WTC buildings ronmossad???? And who would have been able to put it in other than WTC security.

and what the hell is this nonsense about working around the clock??? Ever heard of shifts?

Bollyn has documented the israeli terror network behind 9/11. Only Kroll associates and other jews in important positions of power would have been able to put in the nano-thermite

AND, the security software in charge of maintaining inter-operability issues between the FAA, air force, NORAD, was Ptech, a zionist company headed by the B'nai Brith zionist Michael Goff

isn't it ironic that security software directly responsible for checking on inter operability issues between these agencies was headed by a zionist?

this software obviously failed on 9/11 because such interoperability issues were a main reason why jets weren't scrambled and the planes weren't taken down

the fact is that nano-thermite was found in the WTC dust. SOMEBODY planted it, it's not made on its own, it's not made in nature on its own. And nano-thermite is not a construction material, it's an explosive.

Anonymous said...

this is the link showing Bollyn's documented expose of the israeli terror network behind 9/11. All the jewish important key heads are recorded here. At every point you turn, at every crucial position where 9/11 would have been covered up, there is a zionist jew in power pushing the buttons.

what's funny is that israeli agents "predicted" that arabs would hit the WTC more than 20 years before it happened!! How did they know this???


There is a very significant, but little-known history of senior Israeli intelligence officers seeking to gain control of security of New York airports, ports, bridges, tunnels, and the World Trade Center in the 1980s.

Being in charge of security at the twin towers was obviously crucial to the 9-11 operation. The explosive charges and Thermite that evidently demolished the three towers could not have possibly been placed in the buildings without the perpetrators having complete control of security.

Getting control of security at the WTC was something senior officers of Israeli military intelligence had actively sought since at least 1987. This was clearly part of the Israeli master plan for 9-11, a plan first articulated in 1979 by Isser Harel, the former head of Israeli intelligence (Director Shin Bet, 1948–1952; Director Mossad, 1947-1963).

Harel, formerly the director of Haganah intelligence in the 1940s, is seen as the founder of Israeli intelligence. The Haganah and Irgun were the largest Zionist militia/terrorist organizations in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel in 1948. Both organizations were involved in the terror bombing of the King David Hotel and other acts of terrorism.

Harel was evidently involved in the long-term planning of 9-11. More than 20 years earlier he had told Michael D. Evans, an American Zionist missionary, that terrorism would "come to America."

Arab terrorists would strike the tallest building in New York City, "a symbol of your fertility," Harel said. ]


When Evans asked where the Arab terrorists would strike, Harel said:

"In Islamic theology, the phallic symbol is very important. Your biggest phallic symbol is New York City and your tallest building will be the phallic symbol they will hit."

Now, how did Harel know that, in 1979, if he was not part of it?

"Isser Harel prophesied that the tallest building in New York would be the first building hit by Islamic fundamentalists 21 years ago," Evans said in the 2004 interview; how amazingly prescient – or telling.

Seven years after Harel's bizarre prediction, a team of senior Israeli intelligence agents, men who had worked directly under Isser Harel for decades, obtained the security contract for the Port Authority of New York, the agency that owned and operated the World Trade Center. The Israeli false-flag terror of 9-11, designed to create the "War on Terror" and drag the United States into the Israeli-Arab conflict on the side of Israel, was evidently planned decades in advance ]

Anonymous said...

Ex-Italian President: 9/11 Was CIA/Mossad Operation

* Those people who follow the hard evidences, know that there is more than meets the eye when it comes to 9/11. Draw your own conclusions, AmericanFree Press reports :

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:

“All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcher Webster Tarpley saying “The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America’s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot.

RonMossad said...

What proof does Cossiga have? By your own copy/paste job, he had been out of power (and therefore out of security clearance) for 9 years...his opinion on this matter has as much weight as Charlie Sheen's or any other brainwashed truther.

Anonymous said...

RonMossad said...

What proof does Cossiga have? By your own copy/paste job, he had been out of power (and therefore out of security clearance) for 9 years...his opinion on this matter has as much weight as Charlie Sheen's or any other brainwashed truther.
February 12, 2010 12:30 PM

YOUR opinion on this matter has as much weight as Larry Silverstein & the New York Port Authority.

Now tell us how Building 7 came down, Smart Ass!

Anonymous said...

This is a video that you, owner of this blog must see

"911 stranger than fiction"

just google it

Anonymous said...

The Jew Who Destroyed The WTC?

"I can think of no faster way to unite the American people behind George W. Bush than a terrorist attack on an American target overseas." Henry Kissinger, 2000.

"September Eleven was good for Israel" (Benjamin Netanyahu)

Do the following quotes from news reports on the internet, limn a cabal so evil, so dreadful that--"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."-- J. Edgar Hoover. And it rules Washington absolutely!

The Principals

Lewis Eisenberg, vice president of AIPAC and former Goldman Sachs partner, was Chairman of the Port Authority ("PA"), the Lessor. Larry Silverstein, New York developer and friend of Netanyahu (every Sunday Netanyahu would call Silverstein) led the Silverstein Group, the Lessee. (Italics added.)

In April 2001 Silverstein was informed he had lost his bid in the privatization of the World Trade Center ("WTC"). Then events took a surprising turn. The winner dropped out, leaving Silverstein and his partners, who had finished second, as the new winner.

Anonymous said...

The Lease

The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion on July 24, 2001. Silverstein put up $125 million, only $14 million his own money. The net lease covers four buildings at the World Trade Center, including the Twin Towers and the retail Mall. It may have been one of the most elaborate deals in the leasing history of New York City.

The speed with which this painstakingly complex deal was closed is notable. "There are a million items that need to be dealt with", said Marc Schauer, of NAI Lawrence, a leasing firm. The entire negotiation period--from start to finish--lasted only a few [3] months, a relatively swift duration in the world of colossal lease transactions especially with a governmental entity. [This frantic rush to close [for possession] by some deadline was the principal cause of the litigation to follow. Why the rush?]

The Property

Chairman Eisenberg said, "The Port Authority and the region both benefit from this transaction." PA Executive Director Neil Levin said, "It was this excellent record of managing the complex that now allows the Port Authority to realize the enhanced value of the complex." Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights." [Was that, "raising" or "razing"?]

But from an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the real estate marketplace. It would cost $800 million just to upgrade the electrical, electronic, and cooling systems.

And it was well-known that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. Plans were made in 1989 to completely dismantle the WTC not only because of the asbestos problems but also the electrolytic corrosion problems. Apparently, the plans were dropped because they were considered prohibitively expensive. The only reason the building was still standing on 9/11 was it was too costly to disassemble floor by floor. There is a persistent report on the internet that either the state of New York or the EPA had ordered the dismantling of the WTC. And dismantling the WTC would not result in the recovery of insurance proceeds since it would not be a casualty.

Why would Silverstein, a knowledgeable real estate developer, pay millions of dollars to get control of a building that was uneconomic, was an environmental basket case, and had serious corrosion problems? Many New York developers had gone bankrupt complying with mandated renovations.

But all of Lucky Larry's problems disappeared on Sept. 11, 2001. Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 bn., more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself. Lucky Larry would also miss his usual breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant on the 107th floor of the North Tower and survive that fateful day together with 3,999 of 4,000 Israelis who normally were in the WTC, a statistical anomaly of huge proportions).

Anonymous said...

The Insurance

The story of the Silverstein insurance program, assembled in the summer of 2001, is so far-fetched that any law professor who dreamed it up would be laughed out of the classroom. Silverstein hired Willis Group Holdings Ltd. to find enough coverage to satisfy his lenders. Willis is a giant insurance broker, specializing in coverage for big commercial properties. Silverstein's lenders insisted on first $2.3 bn. then right before the lease deal closed, $3.55 bn. Willis scrambled to place the insurance, ultimately to 25 carriers. Negotiations were frenetic.

Willis hustled in June and July, contacting carriers in the United States, Europe and Bermuda to place coverage. Willis distributed a sample policy that Willis had developed, the Wilprop form. This form included a specific definition of "occurrence" under which the destruction of the WTC was plainly, a single occurrence. But Willis later testified that it considered it's form a starting point for negotiations after the closing.

On July 24, 2001, Silverstein closed with only binders, slips of coverage and certificates of insurance totaling $3.5 bn. from his insurers ["slips" are binders in Europe]. According to federal Judge Martin, "The New York Court of Appeals has made clear that when a binder is signed, "the contract of insurance is closed and the binder is in effect the same as a regular insurance policy." Swiss Re [a major insurer] asserts that the language used in the binders that it and 21 other insurers signed was the "WilProp" form under which the attack on the WTC is unambiguously a single occurrence.

But Travelers Insurance [CEO Sanford Weill] had a major role to play in the total insurance picture for the WTC. It insisted on using its own form, which did not specifically define "occurrence"; however, its form was not present at closing. Willis needed Travelers to stay in the deal and promised to substitute the Travelers policy after the closing. Only one formal policy was in effect on September 11, 2001.

The developer has often repeated that he would need at least $7 bn. to rebuild the WTC site. But Silverstein chose to insure the entire property for $3.55 bn., half of its true replacement value, to save premiums and declared the full replacement cost for insurance purposes as $3.945 bn. to avoid co-insurance. [Shouldn't this make him a co-insurer under insurance law, sharing half the cost of damages, exactly the reverse of double indemnity?]

Anonymous said...

The Dispute

Contrary to the express understanding of insurance professionals, Silverstein trumpets at every opportunity that the attack on the WTC was two separate occurrences." Barry Ostrager, an insurer's attorney, weighed in with, "Silverstein's elaborate two-occurrence argument is a hoax. We believe we have established that the Silverstein case is a fiction conceived by lawyers and public relations advisors after Sept. 11, 2001."

Silverstein and Willis now say that all of the insurance companies agreed to and should be held to the terms of the Travelers policy which did not define "occurrence". Swiss Re and a host of other carriers notified Willis that they'd bound coverage on the basis of the WilProp form, and had never agreed to substitute the Travelers form at all. Most of the carriers deny that anyone from Willis ever told them Travelers was replacing WilProp; many said that the first they'd heard of it was after Sept. 11.

When Willis' Boyd called their London office after Sept. 11, he said, according to the notes of one, "In their opinion this is one occurrence." Another broker said something similar to Swiss Re's Bollier. Silverstein's own risk manager hurriedly faxed a copy of portions of the WilProp form to a lawyer for the PA with a cover note: "FYI the 'occurrence' definition and the insuring agreement and the exclusions in the Willis policy that we are working with." Several hours later he sent the same materials to one of Silverstein's lenders.

Building No. 7

WTC 7 occupied a city block north of the WTC complex. Silverstein's estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. FEMA concluded that the collapse of WTC 7 was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1 which resulted in a payout of nearly $861 million or a profit of about $500 million to Silverstein. Buildings a lot closer to the Twin Towers strangely remained upright.*

Silverstein stated in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided to demolish WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001. And the building quickly fell into its own basement. [How did the FDNY know that WTC 7 was prepared for demolition? Did Silverstein? This requires weeks of careful preparation by demolition experts.] Senator John Kerry stated that, WTC 7 was brought down as a result of a controlled demolition, directly contradicting FEMA. So WTC 7 was "pulled" by a controlled demolition, meaning that the FEMA version of what happened is false, casting serious doubt on the official story that terrorists of foreign origin destroyed the WTC as well as on the rest of the official account of 9/11 [and today disbelieved by most Americans and the rest of the world].

The OEM crisis center in WTC 7 has been identified on the internet as the control center for the pre-planned demolition of the WTC. The center and all of the evidence was destroyed when the 47-story tower was completely demolished. So, who decided to build the OEM crisis center in WTC 7? "Jerry Hauer recommended it as the prime site" Mr. Giuliani said. "It was largely on his recommendation that that site was selected."

Anonymous said...

The Attorneys

On Sept. 13, two days after the towers fell, Silverstein hired top legal gun Herbert Wachtell to defend him in the tangle of litigation sure to come. It was Wachtell, according to Ostrager, who originated the double indemnity theory of two ocurrences. Willis agreed that attorneys John Gross, Eric Roth and Marc Wolinsky could come to New Jersey on Monday, Sept. 17, to talk to the brokers. It was at these meetings that Ostrager claimed that Wachtell exerted "fantastic pressure" on Willis as the lawyers and brokers figured out what to tell the insurance market.

Ostrager claimed repeatedly in the litigation that only after Wachtell Lipton lawyers got involved did Willis witnesses convert to the story that favors Silverstein. He later said they never meant to suggest that Wachtell Lipton lawyers had suborned perjury, merely that in hours of preparing Willis witnesses for deposition, Wachtell Lipton had subtly shaped their recollections and perspectives. Silverstein's attorney, Howard Rubenstein called the statements "a cynical and manipulative attack on Silverstein and an attack on rebuilding lower Manhattan."

Willis was represented at these meetings by Andrew Amer. Amer, who presumably heard the Willis witnesses tell Silverstein's lawyers that the Travelers policy governed the WTC coverage, declined to comment. Gerson of Epstein Becker, the lawyer who replaced Amer soon after those initial meetings rejects any suggestion that Willis witnesses were coerced at the Sept. 17 meeting with Wachtell Lipton lawyers.

Anonymous said...

The Litigation

In 2002, US District Judge Martin rejected the Silverstein claim "that at the time the insurers signed the binders they were well aware that they were committing to be bound to some future agreement" and granted summary judgment in favor of three insurers who specifically referred to the WilProp form in their binders. Two Bermudan insurance companies also mentioned the WilProp form in their binders and paid only their policy limits. Judge Martin seemed eager for the case to settle, and appointed federal Judge Lewis Kaplan to oversee talks. Judge Martin retired and Judge Mukasey took over.

In May 2004, before Judge Mukasey, a jury decided, with respect to 10 of the remaining insurers were bound by the Wilprop form and only one occurrence had taken place and therefore were only obligated for $2 bn. rather than $4 bn. The jury said that three others insurers were bound by other forms and had to pay double on their claims. Thus, by the Fall of 2004, about $2.4 or $2.5 bn. in insurance proceeds had been awarded to Silverstein. The remaining claims were for either $1.1 or $2.2 bn.

In December 2004, before Judge Mukasey, a second jury held that the remaining nine insurers were not bound by the Wilprop form, thus two occurrences had taken place, holding all nine insurers collectively liable for $2.2 bn. By the dawn of 2005, then, $4.6 bn. was awarded in insurance settlements. This is a far cry from what Silverstein wanted ($7 bn.), but much more than what many pundits thought he would recover ($3.55 bn.). Brooklyn-Queens Congressman Anthony Weiner vowed to punish the insurers with fines or operating restrictions if they do not pay up. [The WTC is in Manhattan.] Both sides appealed.

[A judge can greatly influence a jury by regulating the evidence they receive and the final instructions that guide their decision. The second jury was obviously and totally confounded and overwhelmed by the mass of conflicting evidence and the burden of having to reconstruct the intent of the various parties years after the fact and very dependent on Mukasey's "shepherding".]

In October 2006, the Court of Appeals (Judge Walker) in a 70 page opinion affirmed Judge Mukasey and wrote, "Judge Mukasey did a masterful job shepherding this complex, hotly contested case through both phases of a lengthy jury trial."

Judge Walker opens his opinion with, "whether the coordinated terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, whereby two jetliners separately crashed into the WTC, destroying both buildings, constituted one or two "occurrences" under...multiple insurance contracts." And concludes with, "The jury had before it evidence that none of the remaining nine insurers were bound to the WilProp form... their hours limitation clauses did not specifically refer to losses caused by fire, aircraft, or acts of terrorism...and the destruction of the WTC was caused by separate fires, resulting from separate collisions by separate aircraft into separate buildings."

[Persuasive evidence was allowed from a Silverstein expert as to trade customs in the insurance industry as well as testimony by a Travelers executive as to other claims against Travelers which were treated as separate occurrences. Reading this lengthy opinion, one is struck by the absence of Weill's Travelers as the replacement insurer when the news reports are filled with it.]

Silverstein had spent about $100 million paying lawyers, which critics said was an unconscionable siphoning of money that should have been used for rebuilding but that $100 million produced an additional $1.1 bn. And Silverstein made a huge profit. The Port Authority, after Silverstein won the second case, quietly filed its own lawsuit seeking double indemnity on its own insurance policy.

Anonymous said...

More Litigation

In 2005, Lloyd's of London filed a lawsuit against the PA, claiming the agency's demands for $2.1 bn. in insurance money to rebuild WTC are unreasonable. The PA has already received $950 million for damages incurred on September 11. The PA and Silverstein are still pressed for money to complete the reconstruction of the WTC and the PA wants to seek damages for two events instead of one, making it eligible for about $1.5 bn. more in insurance money.

In August 2006, seven insurers contended the new ownership of the WTC did not affect their insurance obligations, arguing that the insurers' obligations are intertwined with the litigation that has been ongoing since 2002 . (The PA had taken back ownership of the $2 billion Freedom Tower and Silverstein had assigned the insurance proceeds to the PA to reduce rent payments.) But Judge Mukasey ruled that he lacks jurisdiction to handle the latest lawsuit and sent it back to state court, where it will be handled by Justice Herman Cahn.

In 2007 Silverstein and seven insurance companies agreed to a $2 billion settlement to end an almost six-year dispute over the insurance policies covering the WTC. Governor Eliot Spitzer announced the settlement at a news conference in lower Manhattan, 'The settlement will end all litigation on the issue". Spitzer compared the insurance dispute to a Stanley Cup playoff hockey series in which the two sides play a ``very hard match'' and ``at the end of the series they always shake hands and move on.'' [Forgetting the thousands who died so horribly and were disposed of in a landfill.] New York and PA officials said that the deal removed any uncertainty over how much money would be available for rebuilding and would enable them to obtain private financing for the $9 bn. project. "There's a high level of cooperation," says Travelers counsel Harvey Kurzweil, who, along with his partner Saul Morgenstern, has become a spokesman for the other insurers. [Cynics comment the insurers' litigation was only intended to shelter them from billions in claims by their own shareholders, participants, re-insurers and excess insurers.]

In 2003, Spitzer, then NY Attorney General, got involved behind the scenes and in the courts, filing a amicus curiae ("friend of the court") brief on Silverstein's behalf [after the Martin decision in 2002]. The courts ended up agreeing with Spitzer and Silverstein. Spitzer helped mid-wife a fat compromise and an eventual $4.5 billion payout for Silverstein. Requests for comment from Governor Spitzer were ignored.

But the money Silverstein is set to receive from his insurers--$4.6 bn.--is not enough to reconstruct. So much of Silverstein's insurance proceeds have already been spent, there is not enough money to rebuild. The developer has often repeated that he would need at least $7 bn. to rebuild the WTC. Silverstein and the PA had spent more than $1.5 billion of the insurance money already, including more than $500 million for Silverstein's rent to the PA; about $190 million for the PA to buy out Westfield America's retail rights; and more than $700 million to repay Silverstein's lender, GMAC, and to repay Silverstein and his partners most of their equity.

Anonymous said...

In another case, Judge Harold Baer of the U.S. District Court rejected arguments by Silverstein that it should recover an additional $700 million to make a rebuilt complex safe, modern and politically acceptable. What's most noteworthy is that Judge Baer interpreted the policy language as the insurers thought it was written.

February 2008: The Port Authority lost its right to collect insurance money on the destroyed Twin Towers and much of the WTC when it leased the property two months before the 9/11 terror attacks. Federal Judge Barbara Jones limited claims by the PA to buildings that weren't leased to developer Larry Silverstein. The judge noted Silverstein had his own insurance.

March 2008: Larry Silverstein joined in a suit by the Families of the Victims of 911 and is seeking $12.3 bn. in damages from airlines and airport security companies. He filed the claim in 2004, saying the airlines and airport security companies failed to prevent terrorists from destroying the WTC. The $12.3 bn. represented $8.4 bn. for the replacement value of the destroyed buildings [that he declared for insurance purposes as $3.9 bn.] and $3.9 bn. in other costs, including $100 million a year in rent to the PA and $300 million a year in lost rental income, as well as the cost of marketing and leasing the new buildings. Judge Hellerstein expressed skepticism about Silverstein's claim and asked why he had not stemmed his losses by just "walking away. Any trials in the case appear to be more than a year away.

[Judge Hellerstein also played an important role in the 911 Victims lawsuits, judicially "blackjacking" them into settlements rather than lawsuits.] He ruled out testimony from top government officials raising serious questions as to why the judge would cover up and potentially obstruct government testimony and evidence under oath by key players when it would be in the interests of both parties to the suit.

An atmosphere of intimidation was apparent when an attorney for the victim families explained that his clients wanted a trial not a settlement, to which Hellerstein retorted, "Sit down." The judicial coercion continued, attorney Schiavo told Hellerstein that she was also experiencing problems with "difficult clients" who were adamant about going to trial with full discovery and government witness testimony, to which the judge said, "This is the way it's going to be. Go back and you tell them we are going to settle, period." Hellerstein finally decided to personally "select and quickly hear" three cases "without any discovery or interruptions." Though remaining families want a trial, Hellerstein has been coercing them all along to negotiate a settlement with his "special mediator," Sheila L. Birnbaum.

Anonymous said...

Not one single September 11 Victim lawsuit has been permitted to proceed to a public trial by jury with testimony by major government officials, complete and unhindered discovery of documents and interrogation by career prosecutors despite meritorious evidence of prior knowledge of the attacks by the Bush administration.

When Silverstein applied for $3.35 bn. in tax-exempt Liberty Bonds to help finance the Freedom Tower and his other buildings on the site, Mr. Bloomberg [mayor of New York] found a lever. The city and the state each control half those bonds, and the mayor said that he would not agree to the city's half unless Mr. Silverstein made certain concessions. Silverstein needed the Liberty Bonds because insurance proceeds, which amounted to about $4.6 billion, would not nearly cover the expected costs of the five towers [now $9 bn.].

Victim family attorneys have strangely failed to seek testimony from Ashcroft and Chertoff regarding the selection of Kenneth R. Feinberg as Master of the multi-billion dollar 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund which forced families to sign away their right to sue the U.S. government for criminal negligence. Feinberg's law firm represented major insurance firms which would have lost billions in payouts if Congress had not used American taxpayer funds to cover expected losses by insurance companies.

What is almost certainly the most sophisticated and complete understanding of exactly how and why the World Trade Center fell has been compiled as part of a secret proceeding in federal court in Lower Manhattan. But everyone fears that the closely held information may remain buried in sealed files or even destroyed.

Anonymous said...


In 2008 Mukasey, an Israeli citizen, was installed as US Attorney General at the urging of Senators Schumer and Feinstein where he will "shepherd" the prosecution of AIPAC for treason and/or espionage just like Kissinger was chosen to head the 911 Commission and replaced by Zelikow. Former Attorney General Gonzalez came under intense pressure to resign from Senators Schumer, Feinstein and Spector. The deputy attorney general and the associate attorney general also resigned clearing the way for more Mukasey shepherding. [Got the picture yet?]

Four of the Israelis, arrested on 9-11 for celebrating the mass murder of thousands of Americans, filed a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the US Justice Department, claiming they were arrested illegally, then held without charge and interrogated and tortured for months. They were released by Chertoff, another Israeli citizen who now heads Homeland Security. The FBI concluded at least two of the five were Mossad agents and all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. Their lawyer claims the case will debunk theories that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks. As of 2008, there have been no further media reports about this lawsuit. [What are the odds they were paid?]

After Sept. 11 over 100 young Israeli "art students", illegally in the country and spying all across America, were quietly ordered "deported" to Israel by a high American official [Chertoff again?]. [Have they filed suit against US, too?]

Anonymous said...


As anticipated by Kissinger, the destruction of the WTC and the loss of thousands of lives resulted in the demolition of the American Constitution; the American people did unite behind Bush and endorse wars of aggression and genocide on the nations of the Middle East and the theft of their resources for the benefit of Israel. Now it comes out that the president actually practiced for 911 in advance and on that terrible day didn't know whether it was real or another practice session. And still noone in government or the 911 litigation even dares to suggest that the WTC was an "inside job" although the evidence is now almost overwhelming. Reportedly, even the National Institute for Standards and Technology has repudiated the "collapse initiation" theory of its 10,000 page report, "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse." Well, nearly everybody else on the planet can.

There is no Statute of Limitations on murder. There should be an inquiry by an international body, such as the International Criminal Court, to assess responsibility for this monstrous crime against humanity; ironically like the Nuremberg Trials brought by the zionist cabal against German officials.

*In the history of the world, no high rise steel buildings have ever collapsed from fire except the three Silverstein buildings on 9-11-01. Structural steel is not affected by fire. For example in 1991 eight floors in the middle of the high rise Meridian Building in Philadelphia burned for 20 hours. According to the official fire report, "Beams and girders sagged and twisted -- some as much as three feet --under severe fire exposures. Despite this extraordinary exposure, the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage." And stood for many years later.

Despite zionist efforts to confuse the two, Zionism is not a religion but a political conspiracy, centuries old. Zionism is Jewish like Nazism was Lutheran. You can read all about it in the Protocols. Many years ago,

George Washington called them "our greatest enemy."

Benjamin Franklin said, "They are vampires. If they are not excluded from the United States...they will rule and destroy us."

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." FDR letter to Colonel House, November 21st, 1933.

"We control America and they know it." Ariel Sharon

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Harald Meling said...

Good points!
All you need to do is realize pyrotehnic and highexplosive nanothermite, something far different from thermite, undetonated and in abundance was found in the Lower Manhattan dust.
Keep focused.
That piece of information, and just that, tells you the cause of the collapse.
Not a question of "how many were in on it".
Why does someone with the name mossad in their callname reject this fact?

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